How to fit an LS1 under LT1 camaro hood

cuda6pak · 07-19-2011, 05:21 AM

87f383 · 07-19-2011, 05:36 AM

mogs01gt · 07-19-2011, 06:10 AM

lmao good stuff!

BishopSS · 07-19-2011, 07:23 AM

all that to use a stock air box?

Cerwin Vega Fan · 07-19-2011, 08:18 AM

JeffsSS · 07-19-2011, 08:38 AM

now they have 305 hp instead of 275. awesome swap.

mogs01gt · 07-19-2011, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JeffsSS

now they have 305 hp instead of 275. awesome swap.

confused by post?

JeffsSS · 07-19-2011, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mogs01gt

confused by post?

explain it to me i guess...

NoRiceInside · 07-19-2011, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BishopSS

all that to use a stock air box?

looks it

Dope · 07-19-2011, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JeffsSS

now they have an awesome hood and 350 hp instead of 275. awesome swap.

Fixt.

Dope

ATC350X · 07-19-2011, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JeffsSS

now they have 305 hp instead of 275. awesome swap.

stock
LT1 245 265hp m6
LS1 300 315hp m6

LSWIN
and another white trash camaro on the road

JeffsSS · 07-19-2011, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dope

Fixt.

Dope

k

jdsgn · 07-19-2011, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ATC350X

stock
LT1 245 265hp m6
LS1 300 315hp m6

LSWIN
and another white trash camaro on the road

??? what are your numbers?

MiLLs · 07-19-2011, 12:48 PM

10/10

Wild Willy · 07-19-2011, 05:59 PM

And keeping the stock resonator, the first thing most people dumped. Must have been important to "keep it stock...?"

Besides the HP bump, got the aluminum block, saved maybe 150 lbs over the front axle. I can appreciate the effort, and maybe the humor in the hood. If I was going to go through that much effort, probably an aftermarket hood would have been part of the build.

DANSBIRD · 07-19-2011, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffsSS

now they have 305 hp instead of 275. awesome swap.

Yea, b/c typically the person doing this engine swap would keep the motor 100% stock.

NHRATA01 · 07-19-2011, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ATC350X

stock
LT1 245 265hp m6
LS1 300 315hp m6

LSWIN
and another white trash camaro on the road

Huh?

LT1s made 275/285hp in the standard Fbody and 305 in the SS cars.

LS1 made 305/310 in the regular, and up to 345 in the SLP cars. Nevermind they were realistically making the exact same power as the version in the Vette.

ChillPhatCat · 07-19-2011, 07:09 PM

What if it started with a 3.4 or 3.8L V6? Nobody said that it originally had a V8 in it. People routinely call the older ones "LT1 style" regardless of the engine.

JeffsSS · 07-19-2011, 07:23 PM

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Yea, b/c typically the person doing this engine swap would keep the motor 100% stock.

are we looking at the same picture? is that a new

whisper lid

regardless wether he plans to keep it stock or not it's more comical than impressive.

Macky Sasser · 07-19-2011, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffsSS

now they have 305 hp instead of 275. awesome swap.

My stock '02 Z28 A4 made 306 rwhp. I think it may have been just a tad underrated.

JeffsSS · 07-19-2011, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ChillPhatCat

What if it started with a 3.4 or 3.8L V6? Nobody said that it originally had a V8 in it. People routinely call the older ones "LT1 style" regardless of the engine.

then he has a failmaro because it either has an auto (fail) or it's a 5 speed (fail). no posi and highway gearing.

JeffsSS · 07-19-2011, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Macky Sasser

My stock '02 Z28 A4 made 306 rwhp. I think it may have been just a tad underrated.

what did it run in the 1/4 and what trap speed stock?

DANSBIRD · 07-19-2011, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffsSS

are we looking at the same picture? is that a new

whisper lid

regardless wether he plans to keep it stock or not it's more comical than impressive.

I see nothing comical or impressive about it. Trashy, yes... comical or impressive, not so much. However, if it's going to be a drag car, it doesn't matter how it looks.

I think you're trying too hard to hate on it.

DANSBIRD · 07-19-2011, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffsSS

then he has a failmaro because it either has an auto (fail) or it's a 5 speed (fail). no posi and highway gearing.

If he's building it to be a drag car, he won't need the 5 or 6-speed and an automatic would be ideal.

Try again.

ChillPhatCat · 07-19-2011, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffsSS

then he has a failmaro because it either has an auto (fail) or it's a 5 speed (fail). no posi and highway gearing.

Or he swapped out the fail parts for good ones on top of the engine swap...

Details are too lacking to hate on the build. I'd have done the same for comical effect and bought a fiberglass aftermarket hood to fit over the airbox after taking the pictures with the chopped stocker if it was me.

CAMN SS · 07-19-2011, 07:40 PM

Lulz

JeffsSS · 07-19-2011, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DANSBIRD

I see nothing comical or impressive about it. Trashy, yes... comical or impressive, not so much. However, if it's going to be a drag car, it doesn't matter how it looks.

I think you're trying too hard to hate on it.

I'm not hating on it, just voicing my opinion. I guess I'd like to know the whole story before I pass further judgement.

but as it stands it's a shitty old camaro, faded paint, body panels dont match up and it has a giant hold cut in the hood that looks like it was from a dremel with drawings on it to be cute.

I think I might get a letter from my HOA just looking at this thread.

JeffsSS · 07-19-2011, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DANSBIRD

If he's building it to be a drag car, he won't need the 5 or 6-speed and an automatic would be ideal.

Try again.

is he goign to need posi or will the one wheel wonder run 10's?

JeffsSS · 07-19-2011, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ChillPhatCat

Or he swapped out the fail parts for good ones on top of the engine swap...

Details are too lacking to hate on the build. I'd have done the same for comical effect and bought a fiberglass aftermarket hood to fit over the airbox after taking the pictures with the chopped stocker if it was me.

if he really was going to replace the hood he should have not destroyed a hood he could have sold for $$.

looks like this was a budget swap as is.

DANSBIRD · 07-19-2011, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffsSS

I'm not hating on it, just voicing my opinion. I guess I'd like to know the whole story before I pass further judgement.

but as it stands it's a shitty old camaro, faded paint, body panels dont match up and it has a giant hold cut in the hood that looks like it was from a dremel with drawings on it to be cute.

I think I might get a letter from my HOA just looking at this thread.

While I don't disagree on the cosmetics, like you said... there's not enough info out there and if its purpose is to be a drag car, it's fine.

ChillPhatCat · 07-19-2011, 07:47 PM

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is he goign to need posi or will the one wheel wonder run 10's?

With really fat slicks... yes. Power will go to whatever side has the least traction, so as long as he doesn't spin there's no problem. However the rear end is probably the first thing a reasonable person would upgrade for a dragster.

DANSBIRD · 07-19-2011, 07:47 PM

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is he goign to need posi or will the one wheel wonder run 10's?

ofcourse it'd need a posi, but that's irrelevant to your original smartass comment about presuming it is and will continue to be a bone stock LS1 that is replacing a bone stock LT1 (which we don't even know was even there... you're just assuming again).

JeffsSS · 07-19-2011, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffsSS

is he goign to need posi or will the one wheel wonder run 10's?

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Originally Posted by ChillPhatCat

With really fat slicks... yes. Power will go to whatever side has the least traction.

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Originally Posted by DANSBIRD

ofcourse it'd need a posi

I can't believe this trailer park camaro went from a joke to everyone so cerealous.

I bet Elmers good shoulder that thing never sees anything less than teens for a LOOOOOONGGG time.. and that's even if it's purpose solely is to drag.

ChillPhatCat · 07-19-2011, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffsSS

Obviously it'd be more efficient to get a posi... what I was saying is that with a really wide tire, it could handle all the power on one side, but the rear end would have to be built for the power anyway, and nobody in their right mind would build that rear end up without switching out the carrier. I blew out one of those 10 bolts with a modded 3.8, there's no way you go 10's more than once with the stocker.

jsm2002z · 07-19-2011, 08:00 PM

FWIW i read somewhere that this was actually an LS1 car that got hit in the front end and the owner had an LT1 style front clip laying around so he put on there and is planning on changing the hood/airbox setup at some point so he just did the hood as a joke.

Griswold · 07-19-2011, 08:02 PM

JeffsSS · 07-19-2011, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jsm2002z

FWIW i read somewhere that this was actually an LS1 car that got hit in the front end and the owner had an LT1 style front clip laying around so he put on there and is planning on changing the hood/airbox setup at some point so he just did the hood as a joke.

so it's actually a 98+ Z28 and he bought 93-97 front end panels/hood/nose.. then cut a hole in the hood because it wouldnt fit.

DANSBIRD · 07-19-2011, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jsm2002z

FWIW i read somewhere that this was actually an LS1 car that got hit in the front end and the owner had an LT1 style front clip laying around so he put on there and is planning on changing the hood/airbox setup at some point so he just did the hood as a joke.

Ahhh so Jeff's assumptions were incorrect.

jsm2002z · 07-19-2011, 08:07 PM

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Lol this is my friends car. He got hit in the front and decided to put his lt1 clip on that he had laying around. He should be getting a regular cold air intake and put a regular hood on soon. The comic was a joke for our club meet that we had on saturday. I just posted on his facebook that he is famous. Lol

This post made my day

i wonder why they didn't just remove the lower airbox and make the lid fit under the hood like some of the lt1 guys do, or he should get one of those SLP ultra Z hoods.

Macky Sasser · 07-19-2011, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffsSS

what did it run in the 1/4 and what trap speed stock?

12.95 @ 105.XX

Daytona Pace Car · 07-19-2011, 09:05 PM

I'd like to put an LS1 in my '93 some day. I didn't know there was such a concern with the airbox but it makes sense. Something I had not thought of.

JeffsSS · 07-19-2011, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Macky Sasser

12.95 @ 105.XX

exactly. 105 mph tells the tale.

jsm2002z · 07-19-2011, 09:49 PM

of interesting note, i remember seeing a red 97 camaro with a large hood bulge in a magazine that was said to be an LS1 test car, so this is not all that different that what GM did for their LS1 test mules

Wild Willy · 07-19-2011, 09:51 PM

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12.95 @ 105.XX

Pretty impressive for a stock '02 Z28- must have been one of those factory freaks. 306 RWHP- must have had a pretty good launch, too. Nice numbers for what was basically a cheap car built to carry a 'Vette drivetrain.

JeffsSS · 07-19-2011, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DANSBIRD

Ahhh so Jeff's assumptions were incorrect.

seems like so was everyone elses

JeffsSS · 07-19-2011, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Macky Sasser

My stock '02 Z28 A4 made 306 rwhp. I think it may have been just a tad underrated.

all ls1's make 306rwhp now?

ATC350X · 07-19-2011, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by NHRATA01

Huh?

LT1s made 275/285hp in the standard Fbody and 305 in the SS cars.

LS1 made 305/310 in the regular, and up to 345 in the SLP cars. Nevermind they were realistically making the exact same power as the version in the Vette.

ok maybe, but id say 265 was more normal even lower for an a4. dyno doesnt mean shit anyways.. they are nearly full second or more slower than most ls1 cars. dont get me wrong I love lt1's im just calling it as i see it.

jsm2002z · 07-19-2011, 10:05 PM

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all ls1's make 306rwhp now?

car and driver tested a 99 Z28 in a camaro vs mustang test and it put down 286 so no, not all of them put down 300rwhp.

C&D 1999: Chevrolet Camaro Z28 vs Ford Mustang GT Comparison Road Test - YouTube

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Originally Posted by ATC350X

ok maybe, but id say 265 was more normal even lower for an a4. dyno doesnt mean shit anyways.. they are nearly full second or more slower than most ls1 cars. dont get me wrong I love lt1's im just calling it as i see it.

I've seen A4 LT1's put down around 245 at the rear wheels in pretty much stock form (little things like iridium plugs/msd wires, msd cap and rotor, and a K&N drop in filter, everything else bone stock). that is more than 265 crank HP.

JeffsSS · 07-19-2011, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jsm2002z

car and driver tested a 99 Z28 in a camaro vs mustang test and it put down 286 so no, not all of them put down 300rwhp.

C&D 1999: Chevrolet Camaro Z28 vs Ford Mustang GT Comparison Road Test - YouTube

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=facetious

Macky Sasser · 07-19-2011, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffsSS

exactly. 105 mph tells the tale.

So are you doubting the 306 RWHP? It was on a good short time, 1.92 if I remember correctly....

Macky Sasser · 07-19-2011, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffsSS

all ls1's make 306rwhp now?

Where did I say all? I said my '02 did. I don't bench race other cars, I'll leave that to everyone else.

Its common knowledge the '01-'02 LS1 4th gens were a bit stronger then earlier years. My '98 Formy went 13.4 stock so I'm sure that car was much closer to the advertised rating of 305 crank hp. I never dynoed the '98 stock.

My '02 was run at Rockingham Dragway which is a bit above sea level. The weather was good that day, I believe the actual DA was right @ 0 which is the best one can hope for in NC.

JeffsSS · 07-19-2011, 10:16 PM

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So are you doubting the 306 RWHP? It was on a good short time, 1.92 if I remember correctly....

Are you trying to lure me into an arguement? I don't care what your stock ls1 made would be the first problem. it could have 200 or 400hp
2nd problem is that it trapped at 105 mph which at the end of the day is all that matters. and 105 is very common for stock ls1's. in fact my SS ran 105 bone stock.

you don't have some mythical beast factory freak.

youre turning the argument of mine which was... if youre going to do a motor swap, try making sure the motor you put in it is a lot better than the one youre replacing. just because yours made 306 doesnt mean all do. am i right?

lastly.. we were all wrong he just put 93-97 clip on it.

JeffsSS · 07-19-2011, 10:19 PM

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Where did I say all? .

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Originally Posted by Macky Sasser

My stock '02 Z28 A4 made 306 rwhp. I think it may have been just a tad underrated.

why mention this after i said 275 hp -> 305 hp swap would be stupid?

NoRiceInside · 07-19-2011, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Macky Sasser

My '02 was run at Rockingham Dragway which is a bit above sea level. The weather was good that day, I believe the actual DA was right @ 0 which is the best one can hope for in NC.

its -2000DA in the fall

NHRATA01 · 07-19-2011, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jsm2002z

of interesting note, i remember seeing a red 97 camaro with a large hood bulge in a magazine that was said to be an LS1 test car, so this is not all that different that what GM did for their LS1 test mules

They did that in '95, look up the "Cormaro". GM took about a dozen or so 4th gen body's and dropped the LS1 drivetrain in it during development for the upcoming C5.

jsm2002z · 07-19-2011, 10:32 PM

the one i remember seeing in the magazine was red but i just read somewhere that they used 20 of them so i'm sure there were multiple colors.

CAMN SS · 07-19-2011, 10:35 PM

OMG LS2 is famous.

http://jalopnik.com/5822568/how-a-re...an-engine-swap

87f383 · 07-19-2011, 10:37 PM

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OMG LS2 is famous.

http://jalopnik.com/5822568/how-a-re...an-engine-swap

Was just about to post this.

I was only 40ish minutes behind too... so close.

CAMN SS · 07-19-2011, 10:44 PM

I saw the thread this morning, then saw it on jalopnik and noticed it linked the LS2forums (lol). When I checked the thread again I was surprised no one had posted it yet.

DANSBIRD · 07-19-2011, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by NHRATA01

They did that in '95, look up the "Cormaro". GM took about a dozen or so 4th gen body's and dropped the LS1 drivetrain in it during development for the upcoming C5.

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Originally Posted by jsm2002z

the one i remember seeing in the magazine was red but i just read somewhere that they used 20 of them so i'm sure there were multiple colors.

That's news to me. I had no idea.